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     Nasrani updated 3 months, 3 weeks ago 3Members · 5 Posts
  • Nasrani

    September 30, 2020 at 5:57 pm

    مرحبًا بكم جميعًا وأهلاً وسهلاً

    I am looking at some old data as part of a project I am doing at school. The current data set I am looking at consists of a bunch of names from Sudan, and I have seen a recurring word (I don’t know if it is a name or a title).

    The item in question is the word الشاذلي

    The definite article contained in this word is giving me trouble: is it a name, perhaps adopted from a pre- or extra-Arabic culture from Sudan, or is it a title? (The fact that it occurs, typically, as الشاذلي الشيخ doesn’t help.)

    Does anyone have any insight about this?

    شكرًا جزيلًا لكم جميعًا

  • Lingualism 

    October 1, 2020 at 6:24 am

    I haven’t heard of this particular name before, but it does seem to be a surname in current use. I did a people search for الشاذلي on Facebook and a lot of people have this surname, in Egypt as well as Sudan, from what I saw. It’s quite common for surnames to contain a definite article. I also saw that الشيخ الشاذلي is the nickname for a place in Egypt (but not far from Sudan): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humaithara named after the scholar (and sheikh) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abul_Hasan_ash-Shadhili

    • Nasrani

      October 1, 2020 at 6:54 am

      Awesome, thanks! I figured it was local to Egypt and Sudan, since I hadn’t heard of it before, but then I am not too versed in Egyptian/Sudanese culture or the linguistic patterns of either country.

  • Nadine 

    October 1, 2020 at 11:35 am

    Many Arabic family names (surnames) have the definite article ال . Very common. It’s definitely not a title.

    • Nasrani

      October 1, 2020 at 2:19 pm

      I think I’d seen surnames with the definite article الـ but I believe I’ve also seen it in given names (albeit far, far less commonly).

      Perhaps the original data was entered inconsistently; rather than it being “اسم) الشاذلي)” as with most names from this particular data set, maybe these particular entries were listed as “الشاذلي (اسم).

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